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« on: June 26, 2008, 05:02:58 PM »
From Jayson Starck's column

Indians rumors of the week: Seems as if the only Indians anyone ever talks about hitting the market next month are Sabathia and Paul Byrd. But one NL executive says the Indians have also let teams know they would talk about several of their bullpen arms -- starting with Rafael Betancourt and Rafael Perez -- and enigmatic 25-year-old outfielder Franklin Gutierrez.

This is an interesting development... if Raffy Right was having a decent year like with an ERA in the 3.50 range we probably could get a nice bounty for him but with the year he is having his value is a little tarnished but he does have the potential to be a dominate set up man if some pitching coach can get through to him.

Raffy Left... NO WAY he is one of the best arms we have... unless we are blown away with a great bat we need to hold onto to him... he is having a decent year and I think if we give him a better chance to be the set up man and Kobyashi as closer we would have a nice back end.

For Gut however he does seem to be out of a spot... were on the hook for this year and next year for Dellucci and nobody is taking Benny's spot and same with Grady... and I think Choo does have the upper hand seeing how he can really hit righties.

All in all if we do become sellers we should be the gold mine and could really RETOOL for next with some good players

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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2008, 05:43:35 PM »
I dont see why we would trade any of those three listed in the article. Betancourt and Perez are by far the best bullpen specialist combo in the game. Gut is a great young gun who is bursting full of potential and will break out to be a solid .290-300 hitter with 20 HRs or more a year and providing a solid glove.
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2008, 06:39:51 PM »
I can see those guys on the block.  I wouldn't trade Raffy left. 

As far as Gut, I can see that.  He's starting to run out of spots.  Choo is taking some of his PT.  Plus, guys like Crowe will be ready next year as well.  I don't think he'll ever hit over .275.  He has 20/20 talent but he hasn't put it together.
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2008, 08:50:52 PM »
Quote from: Nate on June 26, 2008, 06:39:51 PM
I can see those guys on the block.  I wouldn't trade Raffy left. 

As far as Gut, I can see that.  He's starting to run out of spots.  Choo is taking some of his PT.  Plus, guys like Crowe will be ready next year as well.  I don't think he'll ever hit over .275.  He has 20/20 talent but he hasn't put it together.

I agree, there is just no room for Guit eventhough he will turn into something good. Perez will never leave I think he is more reliable then the rest of them.The only reason I think Guit will stay is Dave and Choo are no where near as good a fielder as Guit. I think Peralta, Byrd, Blake, and Betancourt should be on the block.
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2008, 05:27:09 AM »
DONT TRADE BLAKE! What would we do, give the job to Marte? Ok, maybe if you shifted Peralta to third, ACab comes up to be short, and Carrol gets 2nd... but that will never happen, its too big of a move to do midseason. But we should not trade Blake mainly because out of all the Tribe players who have played in 60 games or more this season he has the highest batting average. Besides, hes an RBI machine when placed in the 9 hole.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2008, 11:33:58 AM »
Quote from: NewJerseyTribeFan on June 27, 2008, 05:27:09 AM
DONT TRADE BLAKE! What would we do, give the job to Marte? Ok, maybe if you shifted Peralta to third, ACab comes up to be short, and Carrol gets 2nd... but that will never happen, its too big of a move to do midseason. But we should not trade Blake mainly because out of all the Tribe players who have played in 60 games or more this season he has the highest batting average. Besides, hes an RBI machine when placed in the 9 hole.

That is the thing Casey has been a clutch hitter and alone is good. His fielding is horrible, he has made countless errors, and he is almost 35. Carrol, Peralta or Marte could play 3rd, Who knows if Wes Hodges will be in the Majors next year. I really think someone over on that left infield needs to go they have NO range and I have rarely seen them make great plays.
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2008, 03:06:32 PM »
Quote from: NewJerseyTribeFan on June 27, 2008, 05:27:09 AM
DONT TRADE BLAKE! What would we do, give the job to Marte? Ok, maybe if you shifted Peralta to third, ACab comes up to be short, and Carrol gets 2nd... but that will never happen, its too big of a move to do midseason. But we should not trade Blake mainly because out of all the Tribe players who have played in 60 games or more this season he has the highest batting average. Besides, hes an RBI machine when placed in the 9 hole.

The thing is if we trade Blake, we're probably giving up on 08 so it doesn't matter if Marte sucks at third.  At least we'll once and for all if he can or can't do it. 

Blake is old and going to be a FA next year and we may not resign him.  It would be great to get something for him.
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2008, 03:06:22 PM »
I agree with those who wouldn't trade Perez unless so team came in and absolutely blew the Indians out of the water with a deal.

as for Betancourt he has been a solid reliever, and last year he was incredible, but realistically he is a guy who could be replaced. heck they already have Kobayashi who could be the right handed set up man with guys like Stevens and Newsome on the way hopefully at least 1 will be able to fill in as well.  there is also the possibility that Adam Miller may end up a bullpen guy.

Gutierrez is a good guy to have because he is ecellent defensively and can play all 3 OF spots but I am not sure that he ever ends up as more then a 4th OFer.  the question is what kind of value does a guy like that have on the market?   to me you would have to get back a valuable piece to give up a guy, who even though he isn't a starter, can be a part of the major league future.
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2008, 05:33:21 PM »
Quote from: TruBuckeye22 on July 01, 2008, 03:06:22 PM
I agree with those who wouldn't trade Perez unless so team came in and absolutely blew the Indians out of the water with a deal.

as for Betancourt he has been a solid reliever, and last year he was incredible, but realistically he is a guy who could be replaced. heck they already have Kobayashi who could be the right handed set up man with guys like Stevens and Newsome on the way hopefully at least 1 will be able to fill in as well.  there is also the possibility that Adam Miller may end up a bullpen guy.

Gutierrez is a good guy to have because he is ecellent defensively and can play all 3 OF spots but I am not sure that he ever ends up as more then a 4th OFer.  the question is what kind of value does a guy like that have on the market?   to me you would have to get back a valuable piece to give up a guy, who even though he isn't a starter, can be a part of the major league future.

Yeah, I think Guit is always going to be a bench guy, and for him that is not bad he seems to do well off  the bench look what he did last year.
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2008, 07:31:19 PM »
Betancourt seems to be off and on.  One year he is great, the next year he's off.  With the current cycle he'll probably be dominant next year.

I think you're right about Gut.  He really is shaping up to be a 4th outfielder and that is valuable, especially since he is so good defensively and can also play CF and has a cannon for an arm.  Only problem for Gut is Crowe is going to make a run at a job next year as well, even if it's the 4th OF spot. 

If we can get something in return for Gut, I think we need to listen.  But if it isn't enough, we should just keep him for the insurance he provides.
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